Curse

Cherno · Feb 14, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

You can also go E/N and instead of going double attunement go with OoB. When you get resed you will be able to get back in the game much quicker if you find you are spending a lot of time waiting around. Smoothing out your "mana curve" might help too.

Grimm · Feb 15, 2006, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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Originally Posted by Kai Nui

I mentioned this earlier. ELEMENATLISTS HAVE ENERGY STORAGE. They don't need to worry about their energy with signets for their primary, and they have glyphs which help take off a little of the energy, but since they have a freaking 100ft pool of energy, they seldom use up so many skills so fast that they use up all their energy to 0 that they are desperately trying to find something as trivial as a signet to use.

Holy run-on sentence, Batman! This hurts my brain.

Killin_Frenzy · Feb 15, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Elementalists don't have signets because,
a) elementalists have a ton of energy.
b) signets have a long recharge and/or casting time and most elementalists are based on fast successions of spells casting.

PieXags · Feb 15, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Each class has it's own specific perks. Warriors get adrenaline and more runes than everyone else. Rangers get traps, pets, preparations, etc. Necromancers get minions and are the only class with real life "transfering"/sapping abilities, mesmers are the only class to have direct energy draining/transfering/poofing out of thin air spells, monks...well being the whole "we can heal" thing is quite a perk, and elementalists have a shitload of energy and glyphs. It's not like a single signet will really matter anyway, who gives a damn. Toss ele's a signet, fine by me it doesn't change much. Keep signets away from eles, also fine by me they've got enough going for 'em already.

Vilaptca · Feb 15, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Only warriors have shouts.

I don't really think Ele's need a signet...mostly because I can't see anyone ever using it. Apart from Healing Signet and Ressurection Signet, I can't say I see many other signets even being used.

Avarre · Feb 15, 2006, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Eles have glyphs that have various effects, which no other class has. This is for a reason. A signet ring, in case you didn't know it, is much like an inscribed glyph. The only difference is that elementalists, which are entirely magical, use them to augment their spells, whereas signets are stand-alone.

You can have signets as soon as Mesmers get a shout that interrupts everyone in the area.

Phades · Feb 15, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Eles have glyphs that have various effects, which no other class has. This is for a reason. A signet ring, in case you didn't know it, is much like an inscribed glyph. The only difference is that elementalists, which are entirely magical, use them to augment their spells, whereas signets are stand-alone.

You can have signets as soon as Mesmers get a shout that interrupts everyone in the area.

The problem is that the glyph effects are mimiced by other professions and in many instances other professions have better alternatives. The simple fact that many of them persist far outwiegh what most of the glyphs are capable of, never mind that the glyphs themselves can be interupted and add time and energy to every spell used.

Mesmers do get something that interupts everyone "in the area", its called cry of frustration.

Avarre · Feb 15, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

That needs to be aimed, mesmers need giant stomp! They jump around all the time doing the riverdance, it's obviously Giant Stomp training.

Signets can be interrupted too... and some glyphs REDUCE the energy cost of spells.

richirich · Feb 15, 2006, 12:31 PM // 12:31

warriors and elementalists are the only classes that can help there allies with unremovable buffs...(wards and shouts)
but i think eles as a whole need a bit of work, apart from maybe earth magic...

Phades · Feb 15, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Avarre

That needs to be aimed, mesmers need giant stomp! They jump around all the time doing the riverdance, it's obviously Giant Stomp training.

So, you are saying you need a melee range interupt? You can't be serious.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Signets can be interrupted too... and some glyphs REDUCE the energy cost of spells.

On the spells that it would actually matter with, you would get more mileage out of energizing wind and you would get it on every cast. For everything else, using 10 points in a secondary profession like necro or mesmer will net more energy savings/recovery. The only missing consideration is the fact that mantras do not get interupted. Existing enchantments affect every spell while active. Glyphs must be reused.

Considering how there is what id call a bug involving exhaustion following death, there really isnt much reason to avoid using ether prodigy for energy managment. You can quite literally exhaustion lock yourself out to only 5e, die, then come back with max energy -10 for exhaustion of a new spell used(modified by death penalty of course). Although, compared to other professions like ranger, even that skill seems somewhat lacking as expertise doubles as a + energy pips multiplier and a maximum energy pool size enhancer. If you were to look at it directly, it would be like having a primary attribute for elementalists be a combination elemental attunment and ether prodigy rolled into one and active all the time.

There are many fundamental imbalances revolving around elementalists. The signet/glyph thing is just the tip of the iceberg and to state that everything is fine, because there is cost and time with reuse on something that is not a standalone skill like signets are, just shows a level of ignorance. Passive bonuses should remain passive, not an active skill like glyphs are. I mean seriously, what point is there to glyph of elemental power, when you could just lower the target's AL to all of your attacks when the assasin comes out? A 1s longer blind/weakness, 1 second longer ward, 2-3 second longer hex, 6-8 more damage on a attack in exchange for 5e and 1.75s time used? Glyph of concentration is even worse, considering you do not even make your time back unless the spell has more than a 3s cast time, 2s base if dazed. You cant stack glyphs like you could with other skill combinations, yet the glyphs do nothing unless the skill following it sucessfully completes. Its not like skills like signet of midnight says, the next skill used that touches the target adds blindness to yourself and the target for 15s and cost energy on top of that.

{IceFire} · Feb 16, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

meh eles have so much eng they dont need siggies.